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019 How men can lead effectively in uncertain times with Traver Boehm

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Male leadership for the sake of the community

Today’s episode is a bit different. My guest is Traver Boehm. And also I’m his guest.


Traver and I are colleagues and (internet) friends with a deep respect for each other and each other’s work.


When Traver asked me to appear on his podcast, I responded with ‘of course’ and then “I’d like to have you on mine too. He initially responded “Of course” to then reflect and suggest “Why don’t we simply do a two-way conversation and both publish it instead of doing one interview then changing and going again?”


Efficiency – I like it – so I agreed and here we are.


I suggested we explore a question that I was posed by one of my listeners, friend and former clients, the everyday legend Dana. Dana shared a curious and thoughtful question that speaks to his thoughtfulness. That was:


“During these times of global hardship, how should we as men best show up in our local community/friend circles/workplaces to demonstrate cohesive leadership, encourage calm rational behaviour, be inclusive, protect what we cherish and instil a sense of hope to move forward in a positive way?“


Yeah, just a small topic 🙂


But something that Traver and I felt up to exploring, because, if two guys leading other men and creating communities of men can’t address a question like this, who will?


That’s a big chunk of what we explore in this episode and all of the nuance around it.


It brings to mind a term for me which features in my coaching academy and I spoke about in the first episode of this podcast, for what I think the everyday legend is – ‘Zeus Energy’ an ancient Greek term that was described as ‘Male authority accepted for the sake of the community’.


I also put to Traver the idea of a ‘Compassion Revolution’. Keep an ear out for that part later on in the episode.


We did our best to keep this a flowing two-way conversation with your ears in mind.


I trust you will get something from this conversation. Please share it with someone you think would enjoy, benefit from, and potentially be lovingly challenged by its content.


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More on Traver:

Traver Boehm is the author of Today I Rise, and Man UNcivilized. He’s a two time TEDx speaker, men’s coach and the founder of the UNcivilized Men’s Movement. This movement is radically redefining the way men around the globe experience their masculinity by uniquely blending both primal elements of manhood with massive doses of consciousness.


Drawing upon an eclectic background ranging from professional bodyguarding and Mixed Martial Arts to Traditional Chinese Medicine and meditation, Traver also teaches people to skillfully use the inevitable pain of their lives as fuel for growth and positive change.


In 2016 after losing a pregnancy, his marriage, and his business partnership all within weeks of each other, he created a radical social experiment and spent the next 12 months as if it were his last year to live, aptly naming it “The Year to Live Project.” A few of the highlights of the year include:

  • Volunteering with the dying as a hospice worker
  • Spending 28 days in complete isolation and pitch-black darkness in Guatemala 
  • Living in the frigid Utah wilderness for a month with only a knife, a water bottle, and a blanket


After publishing Today I Rise and receiving an influx of calls specifically from men, Traver began guiding men through their own journey into actualized version of masculinity by asking them these two questions:


“Are you leading or being led?” And, “What are your wounds and what are you doing to heal them?


When so many said this way of thinking and living was counterintuitive to how they were taught “civilized” men should act, the movement was born.


Now men all over the world have deemed themselves UNcivilized as they wake up to meditate, feel into their hearts, and train their bodies. Men who can fight, fuck, feed, and feel. And do all four well. 


When not teaching workshops or radically shifting the way men experience their masculinity, Traver can be found chewing on his thumbnail in front of his laptop, chasing surf around the globe, or being reminded that yoga is a lot harder than it looks.


As always, if you have questions out of it – ask me. Hit me on social media @mikecampbellmc on Instagram or @Mike Campbell Man Coach on Facebook


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